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    NEW TIRES AT 7700 MILES?? WTF

    Took the V in this morning for a routine rotate and Balance. I've only had the car for 3 months and I know I was running a little behind on the rotation I'll admit that. But much to my dismay the Service Tech recomended I REPLACE the tires?? After taking a deep breath and reaching for my wallet I have to ask myself What tire only last 7700 miles?? I would understand if I owned a NASCAR but this is a daily driver right? I've not been hard on the tires by any stretch of the imagination, has anyone else had this problem....??? Not to mention the "traction control" which I've only deactivated a few times for curiosity The Wheels dont spin..... I guess since I'm on my soap box I will say my dealer helped me out in my predicament. If any other owners have had this problem drop a line.

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    Re: NEW TIRES AT 7700 MILES?? WTF

    SAME PROBLEM. I COMPLAINED TO MY DEALER AT 8,000 MILES. HE SAID I WAS SPINNING THEM. WE BOTH KNOW THAT DO TO WHEEL HOP THATS NOT POSSIBLE. HE SAID IT WAS POSSIBLE TO SPIN THEM. I ASKED IF HE EVER DROVE THE CAR HE SAID NO.

    THAT DID NOT GET ME ANY WHERE. I ENDED UP PUTING NEW TIRES ON AT A COST OF $1,122.98. (DUNLOP P245/45R18 SP WINTER DSST RUN FLATS).

    I KNEW I WOULD HAVE TO PUT SNOW TIRES ON IN CHICAGO. THAT EASED THE PAIN A BIT. BUT IN THE SUMMER I WILL BUY YET ANOTHER SET.

    RICH M


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    part of the price for the MONSTER grip in the

    corners


    you don not need to spin tires to wear them out... drive 100+mph and get the car leaning in and and out of turns will do that for you as well (drive aggressively, etc)

    tires on the M5 wear out in the same time frame


    there is a trade off... harder, longer lasting tires do not perform as well as the soft sticky ones... but they last longer!

    My 540 uses the Dunlop sp 2000e... I push this fairly hard, and get upwards of 20k miles (not great... but better than 8k) ... they wear well... not sure about sizes of tires that fit the CTS - v


    I usually go through a set of tires every 1-2 summer seasons... and swap the snowtires out in the winter on separate rims, etc

    sorry to hear of the problem you have with the performance tires... might want to go with a all season radial, or a less aggressive tire<BR>
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    Re: NEW TIRES AT 7700 MILES?? WTF

    I've owned the V for 10 months and I asked my tech about tire life at 2,000 miles. He said that with hi-performance tires like these (soft and gripping) you should not expect great mileage. He actually predicted I'd get only about 10,000 miles tops. Like you I don't drive excessively fast but I do like to push the g's. Well, I'm at 8.5K miles and he was correct. I'll replace the tires in a couple of months with Dunlaps for the winter just like Rich indicated in his email.

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    Welcome to world of high performance!!!

    18" wheels get you soft, low profile summer tires. I have had BMW's for years with 17" wheels & tires and have dealt with this issue forever. Sometimes I can get 20,000 miles on a pair, sometimes only 10,000. Different tires will do that. The softer the compound, the better the handling. The only problem is that the "grippy" nature leaves rubber around the curve, but oh what fun!

    Here is what you need to do...

    1. Find a good place on the web or locally where you buy tires at a discount.
    2. Find a pair that gives you the best balance between handling, feel and durability. You may have to try different kinds before finding the right ones. Check out Tire Rack (www.tirerack.com) for user input.
    3. Rotate your tires every 3,000 miles. I know this seems excessive, but it works. Front to back and visa versa. Do it religiously and you will make your tires last.

    Sorry guys, but you did not buy a CTS with Michelins that give you 40,000 miles. You bought a Caddy with a Corvette engine, drivetrain etc..

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    dial out the toe-in a little


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    well, do YOU think you need new tires?

    have you looked at them yourself?










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    Re: NEW TIRES AT 7700 MILES?? WTF

    My CTS-V has about 12,000 miles on it, but at 3000, I noticed the front tires cupping. The dealer had the alignmnet checked and found both the front and back end to be out. The realignment seemed to fix the problem. I am guessing that I will get about 25000 miles out of my set.

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    Re: NEW TIRES AT 7700 MILES?? WTF

    If you are willing to buy a "V" , along comes the price to use and own this HIGH PERFORMANCE toy. I got 12500 miles out of my run flats. Never been that much impressed with Goodyear but have always had great luck with Michlins. Just replaced with ps'2s and love them. Don't have a spare, but that is what tow trucks are for. I am told I will probably get 18000 to 25000 miles. Not that woirried about it though because if you can't afford the tires, sell your car because you can't afford to be in it. This car is for someone who wants to drive not complain about the price. The sticker the tire ,the better it handles and more fun to drive. You all enjoy the ride and love the value you got for this great machine. Buy an M and the tire cost of the "V" will fade fast.

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    Re: NEW TIRES AT 7700 MILES?? WTF

    At this point I've replaced 5 tires on the car (9650 miles) Due to tire wear, at cut in one side wall, etc. The dealer took abt 4 hours to put two tires on the rim. Apparently the EMT tire dosent seat well on the rims. After putting 100psi in the tire he was able to get it to seat. I picked up the car and the very next morning had another flat on a brand new tire. The valve stem didnt seat properly. The dealer made an adjustment to the stem all is well. I took the car in Monday to get the other two tires put on and what do you know I had another flat! (Front Passenger side) The dealer pulled the tire and found a sharp object no longer than a fingernail in the shoulder of the tire (approx 1000 miles on it). Prognosis? I chose to air it up and keep going. Not sure yet if it needs to be replaced but I'd assume it does. Goodyear offered to help by prorating 2 of the tires. Estimated time of arrival for the tires, 2 days. I let the car sit for a few days and got in it to take it to Discount Tire to have the new ones put on. Now the pressure monitor says I've lost pressure in the (front driver side also New 1000 or so miles). I had the two bald tires replaced yesterday 11/3/04 and put air in the others. I drove no more than 15 miles down the street and noticed one of the new tires was going low. Are we having fun yet? I had the car towed this morning 11/4/2004 back to Discount Tire hopefully they'll get it right this time. Probably a valve-stem issue again. Not to mention the hell they've put my rims thru I wont even go there..... In case you lost count I've replaced 5 and potentailly need to replace 2 more!! 7 Tires in under 10K miles??? Can we say FireStone/ Ford Exploder..

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    Re: NEW TIRES AT 7700 MILES?? WTF

    In my hot-rodding days I was been able to run a set of tires to their belts in one afternoon!

    Tire-tread longevity is an absurd combination of tire compound, tire pressure and driver attitude!

    7700 miles is a bit quick to turn in a new tire, but keep them rotated, balanced and monitor the pressure regularly and you should get better results.


    If your diriving routine is mostly hi-way, I suggest running +3-5 psi --- this increased rpessure will allow the tire to dissipate heat better, add this too can help extend the life of a tire. BONUS--- you won't notice a "performance" difference.

    Glenn

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    Re: NEW TIRES AT 7700 MILES?? WTF

    Go look at your tires, figure out what the treadwear rating is - should be on the sidewalls, if not go to tirerack.com and get that info. I'm thinking the wear rating for a tire installed on a car of that nature will be very low. The smaller the treadwear rating number the softer the rubber the shorter the treadlife. I got only 15k out of my 330ci's tires before they were shot - welcome to the field! Cheers DV

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    Re: I think something is wrong!!!

    Don't get me wrong, I haver burned many a tire up, knowing I was abusing the hell out of them. I have no problem with that.

    But Guess what, they still have lasted more than 7,000 miles.
    Including several runs and the drag track, with burnouts before every run.

    My poor Grandmother leased a CTS, she only got 20,000 miles on her first set of tires. There was something wrong with the aligment, and they corrected it at the dealership.

    She put a set of pirelli's on instead from Discount Tire, they were supposed to have better mileage rating.

    5,000 miles later (mostly 55 mph highway driving, and no tire spinning with my grandmother being the ONLY driver of the car)
    Tires are gone, both front and rear.

    Discount tire was very nice (much nicer than the GM dealer has ever been to her), and gave here a new set, but this time put on Kumho's, which were also supposed to have a better rating. 7-8k miles, and these are getting close to gone.

    During all of this she has taken the car back to the dealer 3-4 times, and they keep telling her "we sell cars, not tires"
    F@#$@# Y@#$# M@#$#@ F@#$#. Makes me I -F'ing RATE to hear this.
    Supposedly they checked out the suspension and everything is supposedly fine.

    I'd like to go in their and sell them something alright.

    This is total bull$HIT, there is something wrong with the suspensions on these cars, or the factory alignment settings are too agressive for street tires.

    I've logged many a mile on Z rated all out performance tires on my 500 hp Tbird, with negative camber set to the max (within factory spec's) and had tires last 4-6 times longer than my Poor grandmothers P.O.S. CTS.

    This is a car problem, not a tire problem.

    I looked up reviews on the tire that comes with the car, the 225-50-17 Good year, and I've seen the same tires on other cars lasting 35-40k plus miles.

    So why do the same damn tires only last 7-20k miles on the CTS.

    Pure and simple the car is messed up.
    I've seen this happen before when a suspension (stabilizer bar) was left somewhat loose on a Toyota MR2. This guys rear tires (about $500.00 worth) were slicks in about 7k miles. Big wide 18 tires, on 3 piece rims. Put another set on, Checking the aligment everything was fine. Bald again. Checked out the suspension, found the loose connections on the suspension components, tightened. Next set of tires lasted over 45k miles.

    I have never personally had the chance to inspect the car, but the dealer should have been able to identify the problem the 3 times they inspected the car. Plane and simple, the default factory settings are plain too agressive for street tires, or this suspension allows too much deflection resulting in changes in camber or toe or both.

    Or they blatently overlooked a suspension problem somewhere.

    Regardless,
    She is returning this POS as early as the lease contract will allow.

    IMHO, I feel that they just took my Grandmother for granted because she is a senior citizen.
    GM, and Cadillac dealers make me sick.

    Sorry for the Rant, but these are straight facts!!!!


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    The toe setting must be seriously flawed




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    Goodyear? terrible tires for wear...

    especially OEM. Remember, manufacturers bid sub-components (e.g. tires), and low bid usually wins. Being the low bidder means you cut costs wherever you can (cheaper compounds, etc.) Goodyear may have O.K. products through tire dealers, but I avoid them after market without exception. Car-for-car and tire-for-tire, Goodyears give about 30-50% of wear life to almost any comparable brand and performance rating (with the possible exception of Fire-Bridgestone).

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    Re: I think something is wrong!!!

    Glad to know I'm not the only one! Was she driving the V or just a CTS?

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    Do I understand that you replaced your run flats with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S tires and that you are happy with the Michelins?

    Bill

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    I'm at 5700 miles and brought my '04 V in for the second rotation and the guy at Discount Tire just laughed. I'm at the wear bar on all 4 tires. This is a daily driver and I rarely get on it hard. I'm ditchin the F1's.

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    Re: NEW TIRES AT 7700 MILES?? WTF

    EARLIER POST. SAME PROBLEM. DEALER BLAMED MY DRIVING. TO MANY OF US ARE REPLACING TIRES AT 7,000 MILES.

    I JUST DISHED OUT FOR A SET OF DUNLOP RUN FLATS $1,200.

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    I'll bet

    You must drive a BMW, have fun with your $2,000.00 brake jobs - but then again, you can probably afford it.

    My wife's 2005 CTS has 11,000 miles and at least 75% remaining tread on the same sh!tty goodyears that everyone is biatching about. I'll probably switch to michelins or dunlops when these wear out, but the original tires are doing fine so far.



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