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    I have a theory about the price structure

    I think there are a list of different prices where the parts person can quote any of them. They do it based on what they think you will pay. At Alderson in Lubbock, I had made several visits there where I was quoted outrageous parts prices over MSRP. The parts specialists then made the realization that I was smarter than I looked (a man in a suit) and then began quoting MSRP. Since they don't sell parts below MSRP, I buy parts at Moritz when I am in town.


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    Re: Dallas Dealers are Screwing us!!! (long)

    I just got charged $105 for a standard oil change at John Roberts with Oil at $12 a quart.

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    "oil change" or "oil service" there's a difference


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    As a follow up... why not use Casterol Syntec -

    It is also approved by BMW for all new models requiring synthetic oil and it is much cheaper. Walmart sells a 5qt container for $19.00 and change. I have been paying ~4.40qt for years at Cosco for this oil. I have used this or Red Line in all my cars since the mid '80's with zero problems. I recently put 100K miles on a Jeep V8 5L - no leaks, usage or any other problems. Now have 80K on Volvo turbo - same story.

    And Syntec 10-40 is in my '01 e38 as we speak - no problems. An oil change with filter runs around $40.00. (Breakfast not included)Darth in CT
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    Re: Dallas Dealers are Screwing us!!! (long)

    Hey, how much did you pay for that car? Is it a lease deal?

    You're bitching about oil price?

    Buy it from the west coast for $9.00/litre. By the time you pay shipping and considering the time ordering it will cost you more. Or make the drive to Arlington to save a few bucks (nothing against Moritz).

    If you are really shopping just to have some oil on hand for top up you sure are wasting a lot of time.

    I'm a former employee of both John Roberts (now Dallas BMW/AutoNation) and Moritz BMW. I'm amazed at people who will spend big bucks for a car and then nickel and dime on maintenance/parts expense.

    Pissed off about dealer gouging? What did you expect when you bought your BMW?

    Get a life, and sell the car before the warranty expires!

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    Hey Tom...

    Hey Tom glad you could chime in. I'm not sure what is the exact point of your post. We are to understand that you have worked at a couple of local BMW dealerships.

    I have owned enough BMWs to make a few of your paychecks and from your attitude I'm kind of disappointed about having put food on your table.

    I have no issue paying for the upkeep on my car. In fact, I'm an over achiever when it comes to the proper care and feeding of my cars.

    I do take issue for the dealers that are extorting from us excessive markups beyond MSRP. I find it to bad business and unethical. If you approve of these unethical business practices that's your choice and it speaks loudly about your character.

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    Re: Hey Tom...

    I have not visited here for a while.

    Is this a reply to my post? If so, my name it Tim, not Tom.

    "I have owned enough BMWs to make a few of your paychecks and from your attitude I'm kind of disappointed about having put food on your table."

    I have not worked at a BMW dealership for years so I'm not concerned about you putting food on my table. I was too disappointed about culling scraps from people with miserable attitudes.

    "I do take issue for the dealers that are extorting from us excessive markups beyond MSRP. I find it to bad business and unethical. If you approve of these unethical business practices that's your choice and it speaks loudly about your character."

    What the hell is MSRP? What's the MSRP on a gallon of gas or a head of lettuce? Are you suggesting price controls? Is this not a free market economy? (I'll guess you might be Republican.) Since you so freely disparage my character take a jab at yours: What business are you in? Do you ever feel tempted to charge as much as the market will bear? If dealer markup bothers you so much go buy some Mobil 1 and do the oil change yourself. It won't kill you or the car.

    Choices do speak loudly about character and if you are so concerned about dollars and cents why the hell are you driving a BMW?



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    Hou: have had both extremes on this topic....

    Same named dealer just different locations. One location will comp a single liter of top-off oil under warranty. The other one charged me the $15/liter price on an unscheduled oil change once. I had to call the other location and get a quote, then explain to the SA that their sister dealership is only charging the $8 price. All the prices are pumped, you just have to know to call them on it.

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    Re: Hey Tim...

    MSRP stand for "Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price"

    Several factors come into play for this figure. MOST of the time products are sold WELL below MSRP.

    ""What business are you in? Do you ever feel tempted to charge as much as the market will bear?""

    The only reason the market "bears" their prices is because most BMW owners are in the catagory you are tyring to cram the OP into. They have pleny muny and will write a check for whatever the Dealerships tells them. Now you have the dealership who is takeing advantage of Naive people who wont spend the time to see if they are gettin ripped off or not.

    ""Choices do speak loudly about character and if you are so concerned about dollars and cents why the hell are you driving a BMW? ""

    Damn, could you be more assinine? So somne who appreciates a fine piece of engineering connot be frugal? Are you saying he should pay WHATEVER the dealership ask without question? What makes you assume because somone drives a BMW that they spent gobs of money on it?

    I drive a BMW. I didnt spend a bunch of money buying it. Ive done lots of work to get it in the condition it is in, but all along the way ive looked for the best prices and done all the work myself. What the hell is wrong with that?

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    Re: Dallas Dealers are Screwing us!!! (long)

    I called Classic BMW today and they quoted 6.29 quart. I don't give a rattS [Oops!] because I will use 0-40 Mobil One from Wal-Mart. My .02. ;)2005 330Ci ZHP Mystic Blau Metallic with Black Cow.

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    Re: Dallas Dealers are Screwing us!!! Hog wash


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    Ask For Book list Pricing...BMW of Dallas


    When you purchase your maintance products at BMW of Dallas, request for "Book-List" pricing before the PartsSpecialist entrs it on the computer. You will get MSRP pricing ALL the time. Pricing is regulated automatically by the "Autonation" ADPPC system network, so Parts guy has to override the system. When they;re in a hurry out of habit they don't overide to " Book list"... try it. They are even closer(miles)then Moritz...and more knowledgable. I deal with a couple guys there, very friendly. Remember though before they enter info into the PC, ask for Book list..

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    This coming from a former employee...

    This coming from a former employee of a DFW BMW dealer really opens the picture on how or why the dealer behavior to overide the MSRP.

    Nothing wrong with it really, from your point of view, its cents here and there. In truth a dealer may overide the MRSP as it pleases.

    It comes down to the customer to be aware, and this e-mail is just that, an awareness on the behavior of DFW BMW dealers.

    I see absolutely nothing wrong with Roy trying to get a fair price.

    We have the same problem in Houston and with Porsche its even worse.



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